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7/10
Valuable - but not the whole story
DFG191618 July 2006
It's quite simply a fact that the Western media generally portrayed the Balkan wars from a one-sided perspective: Evil Serbs vs. Innocent Croats/Muslims/Albanians. This documentary demonstrates that there was a significant amount of evil on the other sides. Unfortunately, it does so while completely glossing over the crimes that Serbs DID commit. This inevitably weakens its credibility, as some will simply dismiss it as pro-Serb propaganda...which to some extent it is.

Nonetheless, there is a significant amount of testimony from journalists who covered the wars, and from US and British government/army sources, to back up the filmmakers' obvious biases. This testimony is quite compelling and I think that anyone who approaches this film with an open mind will come away realising that the issues were a lot more complicated than the media led us to believe.

My recommendation: Watch it, think about what it left out, and then read a few books on the subject.
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8/10
sometimes it is too hard to believe...
sasasb29 June 2006
Probably one-sided movie, but if only 10% of statements that were given in this movie are true then the truth is horrible.

Sometimes it is to hard to believe that most wars in these days are won by media. First truth that you hear is the most powerful truth, and all the other truths that will come afterwards are mostly ignored.

Anything you thought you knew about the wars in former Yugoslavia is thrown into question by the film. Did Bosnian Muslims transport the bodies of dead soldiers overnight to the site and then cry massacre? Did they repeat same pattern? And numbers? In this movie, numerous investigations have shown that the number of casualties at the hands of Serbs, also including the supposed mass rapes of Bosnian women, was very much inflated.

Whether or not you're convinced by facts that movie offers, many of which are based on information provided by the Human Rights Watch, Red Cross, Amnesty International, etc. you have to think in one moment - if only one of these statements that I'm hearing is true, than I've been misguided ( one way or another ).

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. This documentary could be right step toward that middle.
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8/10
Interesting Thoughts
MaximusDecimus16 February 2006
This documentary is comprehensive in weeding out the factual bases of the rise of nationalism in Yugoslavia (Mesic, Tujman, Western interests) which led to its break up. I do agree that it was in some regards unbalanced but one must remember that atrocities were committed by the Bosnian Muslims, the Croatians, the Serbians and the Slovenians. Operation Storm and Operation Flash clearly implicate Mesic and Tujman in the active destruction of Yugoslavia who themselves were supported by the CIA.

It removes the propaganda and brings light to the issue of "Ethnic Cleansing" which later FBI investigation revealed to be baseless as body counts did not even exceed the thousands margin. Why was Clinto interested in Yugoslavia while turning a blind eye to Rawanda? Geo-politics.

This documentary far exceeds the Death of Yugoslavia one in validity and accuracy. This documentary advocated the propagandist viewpoint of milosovic's "greater serbia" which was indeed fabricated, the English subtitles are also flawed as witnessed by myself and proved in the Hague trial. The reviewer below who advocates this movie is clearly biased and hypocritical as that very documentary was made on very subjective circumstances. I, an observer of the war, witnessed the destruction of Yugoslavia first hand and this documentary best represents one of the most complex wars of our era.
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All the truth not fit for print
PeterMH31 August 2002
If anyone doubts that it is time for a clear and critical look at Western intervention in the Balkans, consider this: The forces that the US supported in Bosnia and Kosovo were and are closely allied with Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. Bin Laden, himself, was a regular visitor in the office of Bosnia's President Alija Izetbegovic in early 1993, when the US government was touting his commitment to moderation and multi-ethnic cooperation.

`Yugoslavia: The Avoidable War' makes a compelling case that Western backing of separatist forces led directly to the outbreak of war. `The intelligence agencies were unanimous in stating that if you recognize Bosnia, it will blow up,' George Kenney of the State Department reveals. Why then did the US proceed to do so sparking four years of savage warfare? How did we end up on the same side as Osama-Bin Laden in Bosnia and Kosovo? Newscasters and columnists continue to refer to Kosovo as a victory for the US, but this documentary shows that the region is infinitely more divided and dangerous than it was when NATO bombing commenced in March of 1999. The region is more unstable and US troops are likely to be stuck in harm's way much longer than originally anticipated.
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10/10
Great, definitely worth watching
rodicksefano15 January 2006
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Could the violent break up of Yugoslavia have been avoided? What role did Western intervention play in the tragedy that consumed the multi-ethnic country? "Yugoslavia - The Avoidable War," a 2h 45 min minute film, addresses these questions in a well documented, powerful indictment of misguided intervention in the region. The documentary which took four years to produce, and which was updated following NATO intervention in Kosovo, investigates how serious errors and misjudgements made by Western powers particularly Germany and the United States helped spark the violent break up of the former Yugoslavia in 1991 and continue to destabilize the region in the new millennium.

"Yugoslavia the Avoidable War" documents the role of Western Intelligence agencies in providing aid to armed separatists and reveals how Western governments supported different sides in an ethnic conflict while portraying themselves as peacemakers. Most compelling are the candid statements of the decision-makers themselves, including former EC Mediator Lord Peter Carrington, former US Secretaries of State James Baker and Lawrence Eagleburger, as well as Germany's former foreign minister, Hans Dietrich Genscher. "What the international community(the Europeans), the Americans and UN did, made it sure there was going to be conflict," states Lord Peter Carrington, the EC mediator, who along with UN envoy Cyrus Vance warned against diplomatic recognition of separatists states such as Croatia and Bosnia, before a political settlement could be achieved. "US intelligence agencies were unanimous in saying that if we recognize Bosnia it will blow up," says former State Department official George Kenney. Yet, according to former acting US Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, domestic political considerations- the 1992 election campaign between William Clinton and George Bush? led to the tragic decision to recognize Bosnia without a political settlement between the Muslims, Serbs and Croats.

The film makes a powerful argument that the US drew the wrong lesson of from the Bosnian conflict to justify intervention in the civil war that simmered in Kosovo. The manipulation of news coverage by the warring sides is explored in compelling footage and in interviews with veteran journalists such as David Binder of the New York Times and John MacArthur, columnist and publisher of Harper's Magazine, as well as authors Susan Woodward and Ted Galen Carpenter. The documentary offers powerful evidence of US involvement in "Operation Storm" the Croatian army's violent expulsion of the ethnic Serbian minority in 1995, an action which offered an eerie parallel with the expulsion of Albanian refugees in Kosovo by Serbian forces following NATO intervention on the side of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).

Compelling, candid interviews from military officers including UN Commanders Sir Michael Rose, Lewis MacKenzie and former Pentagon Chief of Staff General Colin Powell elucidate how Western policymakers blundered by taking sides and by relying on military means to settle political problems. Co-producers of "Yugoslavia: The Avoidable War" are George Bogdanich New York based documentary film maker and Martin Lettmayer a German television producer based in Munich, who is currently working on a documentary in Central America. An earlier version of the film, completed prior to the Conclusion of NATO's intervention against Kosovo, was named the "Best Social Documentary" by the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival in September of 1999. In April, the LA Weekly called the film "truly accomplished," adding: "The numerous Strategic missteps by the West and the endless political doublespeak Are carefully detailed. The tragedy of the situation seems to multiply Before your eyes as the film clearly proves that so much of the Bloodshed could have easily been prevented."
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10/10
Everybody must see this!!!
stagodos11 March 2006
This movie represents the truth about war in Bosnia, every fact is true and every quoted cause of war is nothing but a truth... I hope that the World will finally understand what really happened there... I hope you will realize that Serbs were not the aggressors, that Serbs were killed as much as the other nations, maybe even more (numbers don't lie). I am not saying that the Serbs are the only victims from Bosnia, but the Serbs are the only victims of Western politics (think about this). I know that many people wouldn't agree with me, but think again and watch the movie carefully...and one more thing, anyone who don't agree with with me probably was not there and didn't taste it... Watch this movie, watch the truth!!!
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8/10
Now all makes sense.
eufory22 January 2015
Even being a heavy reader of history and politics, the war in Yugoslavia still didn't make too much sense too me. After this documentary all makes sense. Germany had an obsessive desire to rip apart this country. For me even now seems so unthinkable that Madeleine Albright and William Clinton could be so biased and so one sided, specially because Albright is Czechoslovakian so she know Slavic and German history and interests. But without doubts it seems clear enough now that the real power in the United States do not resides on the puppet in turn but on an elite highly stable, spread all over the ranks of the U.S. bureaucracy. Media is the king and once its said on one or two of the world top media outlets then it's sacred truth. The media consensus has to follow, and if you are a reporter that disagrees you risk your whole career for not following the horde. Its a pity that the International Criminal Court is a kangaroo court. After this documentary I was convinced. My suspicions started when the ICC charged Gaddafi for giving viagra to his soldiers so they could rape more women. Raped were all the Serbians and minorities that were left in Kosovo to be "taken care" by the United Nations Mission on Kosovo and the criminal KLA. But as history is always written one sided, nobody is going to indict Helmut Kohl and Hans-Dietrich Genscher for their role in igniting the war and all the atrocities that came after.
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1/10
Pathetic
takavbre19 October 2010
No words can express my disgust. Yet another Serbian pathetic propaganda attempts. If you experienced (so-called) ''Yugoslav War'' in locations of actual military struggles (Serbia and Montenegro are not included!), do not watch this movie or it will literally make you cry.

As looking at my family bones and my burned town isn't enough, the Serbian radicals (see:Serbian radical party) and extremist organizations like Obraz (known for their every-day vandalism) are spitting their propaganda at our face once again. Once again, I see a bunch of Serbian profiles and uneducated people praising this movie as nothing happened. As people from my town drunk a couple of beers, burned their own town and mysteriously vanished. How could anyone on the living Earth live in peace with someone who wished to eradicate all non-Serbs on their ''Serbian-proclaimed'' territory? How could we live in peace with someone who tried to eradicate us from the late 19th century to today? How could we live in peace with someone who killed, raped, tortured, burned etc. our relatives? How could anyone from ex-Yugoslavia be in peace with a country who burned towns, tried to assimilate it's citizens and rewrite history?

WE COULD-IN A DIFFERENT WORLD! But, this isn't one of those worlds with a happy endings. As the traumas my generation experienced were not enough, we are forced to deal with every-day, illogical Serbian propaganda with no proofs and logic represented. In first half of the movie, not only that there were no real sources represented, but many false evidences and sources as well. WHO was the struggled soldier and WHY he was murdered and WHO did it? WHO were the murdered civilians and WHERE were they murdered, WHO murdered them? Someone would think that all courts, researches and media would found it out by now. Instead, you can see links all over the internet, proving otherwise and killing all these so-called facts. Instead of making this movie carefully, with Serbian side presented,but trying to NOT spew false charges, the makers threw all kind of thrash they could get and made me turn of the movie before finishing it.

I can't believe that in a world where it's forbidden by law to deny a holocaust in any way (which is a good thing), it's absolutely normal for Serbs to wash down all the blood from their hands as nothing happened. Sadly, the only thing that these movie proved is: 1.Political weakness of all ex-Yugoslavia countries.The creators should be in jail for making fun of hundreds of thousands of victims of ''Greater Serbian'' regime. 2. The popularity of this movie proves how the majority of the Serbs (decades after the war) still refuses to admit what their government did and make all kinds of ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I would love to see creators of this movie: 1.to have the guts to make a ''documentary'' about the Belgium-German conflict in both world wars and make Belgium as the aggressor or try to make a movie about the holocaust denial. This movie is the same!ABSOLUTELY THE SAME! Oh, the blind who refuse to see that. 2. I would like the creators of these movie to name me real Serbian ''victims'' (besides military casualties and those of armed rebels in Croatia and Bosnia)

Last, but not least, movies like these do not help heal the wounds, and make the true peace impossible. After Serbian imperialistic policy made all their neighbours hate them, smart men would think that the modern Serbs would try to help heal the wounds instead of opening new ones. But, ''some'' are not so smart. For further information, study about extremist in Serbia: Obraz, Nacionalni stroj, 1389, Serbian Radical Party etc.
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8/10
Truth has the other side
tatamata125 July 2007
Is the film one-sided? I'd say it is. But were the CNN, CBS etc. reports less one sided during the war? Unfortunately - absolutely not.

So, the film is not repeating the stuff everybody in the West already heard about? Is it really that strange? It tries to use the time it has to show the side of the truth that was not presented before, not to repeat what's already known. I am not trying to defend it, because I don't like one-sided movies myself... but I do understand the intentions. This was not made by a neutral observer - this was made by a man who couldn't stand the selectiveness of the "truth" presented. That's why this is not a great documentary - but it definitely should be seen.

The real question should not be was it one sided, but was any of this true? Because if it was, you should ask yourself - how much the "truth" you hear every day is filtered, so that you can hear only what you as a viewer and a voter are wanted to know, and no more than that. Especially about foreign affairs. Because reporters are much more ready to turn the blind eye on sufferings of people of some foreign nation when asked to, not so much when it happens at home.

I cannot say for sure if everything in this movie was true. But I can say that some things definitely were, and that those things were never presented in US media. I have heard about some of those events earlier, from my friends or relatives witnessing them. I even witnessed some of that myself when I visited Bosnia and Serbia.

So, just watch it, don't believe it. Then watch the reports from the other side about the same events, and compare them. The truth is often somewhere in between. It is sometimes amazing how some things start to get much more sense when you get a chance to hear another side, too.

Normally I would give no more than 6 to this documentary... but since some commentators gave it one star simply because they don't believe the stuff presented there, I gave it 8. Because it really should be seen.
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7/10
thought provoking documentary about a very disturbing chapter in European history
Linden-178 March 2009
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What really intrigues me about this documentary, is that it helps actually make sense of the break-up of Yugoslavia, and the events that unfolded during the civil war.

I've seen the BBC documentary other reviewers mention (The Death of Yugoslavia), and it didn't quite add up. The Bosnians appeared completely innocent. The nationalists of Croatia were able to ethnically clear Serbs from their land because the Serbs were stupidly scared of Croat forces. Croatia was armed by the Hungarians using just 3 secret agents.

It may have been slicker, and engrossing, and useful for examining the conflict from the public-relations perspective of NATO and other world-powers, but it also concentrated too much on the role of Milosevic and his generals, and failed to convincingly deal with why Yugoslavia broke up, and what happened during and after it did break up.

Now, having watched this, I know how the German secret services were involved (and perhaps why) in bringing about the break-up of Yugoslavia; about how they assisted diplomatically and militarily within the conflict. It makes me wonder if this was a strategy based on geopolitical considerations, or as the movie alleges, due to historical (fascistic) reasons. I also now know (and this is corroborated in the BBC documentary) that the massacres of the people queuing for bread were the work of Muslim extremists, not Serbs. And that the leader of Bosnia - who is portrayed in a totally favourable light by the BBC documentary - may well have been involved in knowing about these massacres in advance. Oh, and that Tudjman was given the green light, and backing through a third party (staffed by ex-NATO staff), to ethnically 'cleanse' tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of Serbs from their land. I never knew about overwhelming bombing of civilian targets by NATO, nor about the KLA's provocations of Serb forces - not surprising, but useful information in the context of a ethnic and religious civil war.

This is not to say that the documentary is not one-sided: it really is. There is a virtual airbrush over atrocities committed by conventional and paramilitary Serb forces. Nor that it is a great documentary: the grand narrative of the events is rather halting, and many different ideas are presented, but failed to be adequately elaborated upon.

Instead, what makes this worth watching is that to my knowledge there isn't another documentary like this that tells us the 'other' side of the story. Another reason is the way it examines the role of the media in these kinds of conflicts. It demonstrates the need for an effective media strategy by warring parties if one is going to win a conflict by killing people. Particularly important in a world where perception is more important than reality.

Overall, a thought provoking documentary about a very disturbing chapter in European history.
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1/10
What a load of crap!
e_t_n24 October 2005
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There are no reasons of taking this documentary serious and there are four reasons for that:

1) The people who made this documentary (including the director and the producer) are Serbs or of Serbian origin, therefore the criteria of neutrality fails. For instance, they mentioned that the diaspora Croats (the so called "Ustase") played a huge part in the fall of Yugoslavia, but they didn't mention that there were equal Serbian organizations as well (Cetniks)! For you who aren't that familiar with Balkan WW2 history: The Serbian so called "Cetniks" that were portrayed in the documentary as being so kind that they helped British paratroops during the war. Well, that's only half the truth. They were also a fascist (Monarch) group who collaborated with the Germans, but then switched side when Hitler started losing the war. It's also ironic that they don't mention the Cetnik leader Mihajlovic in the documentary, a man that is responsible for killing thousands of people and burning hundreds of villages all over Bosnia and Croatia. But they mentioned a certain Ante Pavelic...Hm...Allow me to be just a little suspicious.

2) Most of the people interviewed are to me totally unknown. And I've studied this war for a long time (who is the old British lady!!! She really hasn't made her homework!) and they are not even presented by name, so they could More or less be anybody, maybe someone they took from the street. Who knows.

3) In The documentary they talk about Kosovo and how the Serbs have lived there for ages, and therefore it should belong to Serbia (even though they are a minority). Well, when they mention the Serbian dominated part of Croatia (Krajina) suddenly the Serbs are portrayed as how they have the right to live there because it has been their home for so long. Fine, but what people don't know is that the largest city in Krajina (Knin) has great historical importance for the Croatian people. It was there where one of the most celebrated Kings of Croatian history (Zvonimir) was crowned, and therefore the city has a historical value for Croatia. The Serbs arrived almost 800 years or so later! But no, the Serbs should have Krajina and Kosovo according to the documentary. Is that fair? To me it looks like double standards of morality from the director. Plus, it is said in the documentary that the Croatian constitution didn't have any laws about minority rights, this is a lie because it was one of the first laws implemented BECAUSE of the fact that Croatia had a huge Serbian minority.

4) The film mentions a radical Croatian Paramilitarian leader called Glavas. Or the Muslim radical Oric. They accused them of being a huge reason for the negative development of the war. Yes, they were radicals, but if you want to talk about radicals, why not also mention the Serbian radical paramilitary leaders such as Seselj and Arkan? The flaws are so many that I just presented a few of them, just so that people get an overview of the documentary. It looks like the people who made this documentary weren't well prepared and didn't have the guts to criticize the Serbs because they were afraid that their Serbian relatives would slap them or something. There aren't that many documentaries out there that are of good quality, but the best so far is "The death of Yugoslavia" where all the significant participants of the war are interviewed (e.g. Milosevic, Jovic, Bulatovic, Tudman, Izetbegovic, Karadzic etc.) and where you get a whole 5 hour explanation about the fall of Yugoslavia and the war.

One other thing. I saw a comment on this documentary where the person was frustrated about why the US gave support to a country (Bosnia) that had connections with Bin Laden during the war. Well, first of all, all the countries involved in this conflict had nationalist presidents and because the Bosnian Muslims didn't have an old ethnic identity (previosly they were called "Muslim Croats") they had to rely on something else besides nationality to raise the spirit among the people, and that was by connecting them to the only thing that they had in common: Their religion. And they took help from the Mujahedin because no one else would support them. They had to fight the 4:th largest army in Europe! They needed all the help they could get. Nationalism is the best way to unite a people during war. History has shown us that.
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10/10
Excellent and I'm not Serbian
nassao18 April 2008
Everybody who wants to know the truth of the Yugoslav wars 1991-2001 should watch this film. this a detailed account of what went on and what was kept from the public with the media spreading deceit, lying and misrepresenting the events. This film provides well researched evidence and archive film from the time all in all a very interesting and insightful documentary. Im not Serbian i know they committed crimes which we are reminded of all the time i don't see how this is Serb propaganda non of the people interviewed who are all American, British, German etc not Serbian they don't have any agenda and all the evidence to back up what they say can be found quite easily.
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6/10
terrible, but worth the time
gendo8212 June 2005
This is the most lop-sided 'documentary' ever. It is completely pro-Serbian and anti independence for the smaller republics in Yugoslavia.

The film makes so many accusations, and then glosses over so many of the atrocities committed by the Serbs that really made this conflict one of the worst in the last 50 years.

I don't know if it is left or right leaning, but it is simply one-sided.

I would still recommend this film however; it is interesting and has lots of great stock footage. I simply advise all viewers to do their homework before they take this at face value.
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1/10
Propaganda Film?
geady5 June 2006
Before seeing this movie, please check out reviews available on the internet regarding the movie's falsification of events, particularly its prevarications regarding the widely accepted fact that 7-8,000 Muslim men were bused out of Srebrenica and shot by Serbian paramilitaries. The documentarian also belongs to various pro-Serbian American organizations. Please watch this movie critically, and read reviews beforehand. Most reviews argue that the documentarian takes his arguments too far, even if he raises questions that target the conventional wisdom regarding the war. A review in the NYTimes by Stephen Holden states that it would be "inaccurate to label this documentary pro-Serbian," but one should question both the presentation of facts, many of which are taken from reliable sources, and the omission of those facts that inculpate Serbian forces. I do not advise against seeing this documentary, but I do caution you to examine it with an especially critical eye (as one should do at all times anyway).
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8/10
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean you aren't right
funero1 January 2011
I'll admit I came into this movie with a pretty bad attitude. Many reviewers labeled it as Serb propaganda, and knowing how awful we are at it (noted by the filmmakers themselves :-)), I was expecting a lot of nationalistic chest-beating and bitter anti-west propaganda.

However, I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw. The movie was most harshly critical of foreign powers (US and Germany), while treating the sides directly involved for what they truly were - bumbling idiots, too blinded by dreams of nationalistic fairylands to see they are being led around by higher interests.

Factually, the documentary seems pretty solid. Statistical facts came from reputable sources (Hague, Red Cross, etc...). Testimonies were represented by people involved in the conflict, but not directly affiliated with any side (British, Americans etc). The director's surname sounds vaguely Serbian, but it could have easily been Bosnian or Croat. Either way, most of the facts are presented by talking heads and hard data, so the only way he could have influenced the message was through choice of themes and editing.

And... that he did. I agree with detractors that the bias of presented data is heavily pro Serbian. On the other hand, this documentary was clearly intended as a response to what the author sees as heavy anti- Serb bias of the official reports. It never tries to deny Serb war crimes, including Srebrenica, it just doesn't dwell on them. The author simply assumes the viewer is already familiar with the anti-Serb stuff and is instead interested in hearing the opposing point of view.

There were, however, a few WTF moments. Like the time they (desperately) tried to tie Osama Bin Laden with Bosnian Muslims. Nonsense. Sure, there's a recent upsurge of fundamentalism, but in general, Bosnians (and Albanians) are (or were) pretty mellow Muslims. Foreigners never understand that religion around here is tied more closely to national identity than any holy book or a fundamentalist cause.

Oh, and the ethnic cleansing of Albanians in 1999 was handled a bit too lightly. A few drunken idiots shooting up houses wouldn't have sent hundreds of thousands of Albanians fleeing out of Kosovo. The documentary doesn't exactly say, but it does heavily imply that there wasn't official ethnic cleansing policy during the bombing, which IMO is wrong.

Other than, the film is a pretty solid presentation of the 'other side' and, in my admittedly biased opinion, a much closer stab at the truth then the official version. If you're somewhat familiar with the Balkan situation, this documentary is pretty good food for thought. If not, you should probably try familiarizing yourself with the party-line first, as this film presents only the other side of the story. And it does it good.
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10/10
Very interesting view of events.
al-viss17 March 2006
This is a highly useful documentary for all of us who have only seen the official news reports and comments about the Yugoslav war and felt some information was being hidden to us. Even during the war and the bombing of Bosnian Serbs and Kosovo, I have heard many critical voices but they did not bring clear and documented information of what they were claiming was the truth. Time would provide us with this information that was absent. I waited for long, but now, with this documentary, here we have the information that for many of us who did not have will help us make a more true and honest opinion. Before this, we just blindly believed the mainstream media stories and that's it. It is a fact that the mainstream media in today's most important countries are directly controlled by top men who at the same time control economic and geo-strategical policies in the world, it is obvious that we cannot believe everything what is told by them. Specially not when it concerns the REASONS and MOTIVES of why something in the world is done or not. Many times proofs are deliberately fabricated in order to blame it to the enemy, it is not a new thing. Hitler burned his Reichstag, blamed it on the Jews and communists. It provide him with green light to start killing millions of Jews. Nero burned Rome, blamed it the Christians. That gave him green light to kills thousands of Christians. It does not surprise me at all that there are proofs that Muslims themselves put a bomb on a market place in Sarajevo to blame it on the Serbs and provoke NATO attacks against Serbs. It is a very old strategy of temporary sacrifice in order to achieve a bigger victory later. I want to thank the documentary makers for their effort. I was waiting a long time for information like you expose in your documentary. Thank you. Alex (Spain)
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10/10
One of the Only and Best Documentaries About Yugoslavia...
tempsht214 March 2006
This is one of the only and best documentaries about Yugoslavia, its breakup, and the factors/reasons underpinning all of this that exists to this day.

Perhaps, as some have criticized, the documentary could have been better at identifying the talking heads, giving a more multifaceted view, etc.

However, these small points aside this documentary should be seen by anyone and everyone interested in the past and current situation in the former Yugoslavia and its individual parts, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, and Bosnia among others. Other reviewers have already ably set out what the film does much better and more comprehensively then I have but in the end my review is simply up here in order to add another voice of rationality and fairness to the cacophony of irrational ideologues that often make up any discussion around this topic.

I urge anyone who is sincerely interested in the realities of the Balkans to view this film.
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2/10
Objective? Not.
djkrivak10 April 2011
This documentary deals with the Yougoslavian wars for secession in a pretty obvious non-objective manner.

Also, beside the PR spin, the documentary deserves a 2 star rating for being the first (on the subject) I saw that included some facts about the actions of the German BND in Yugoslavia and, later, Croatia. It also tries to explain the German stand on the subject by pointing at the Croatian lobby in Germany, which is also true. But then it begins to convince the viewer that the Serbian side was not the aggressor, and that the crimes against civilian population done by the Serbian side was only bad PR (sic!), that Muslims in Sarajevo killed their own people to make it look like they're the victim... Not good.

If you're into PR (in a negative way) - watch it. :)

If you already know of the subject - see this film; it'll give you some impression of how propaganda works, and maybe (if you were there) take you back trough time to those days of TV news reports from Belgrade and Zagreb. ;)

If you want to know what really went on - go see BBC's "The Death of Yugoslavia".
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8/10
Is this movie really takes sides?
macmacmac-223 February 2012
In many of the reviews I have seen comments about one or other side propaganda, but to me it doesn't seem like that with this movie.

I'm sure some of you will agree that some of the informations presented to the audience was wrong at first point, as the movie says with some of the presented interviews, so in a certain way this movie is an attack to the media and bad reporting but it seems that in practice there is no open apology by the media to the audience 2-3 months latter when some information if proved to be wrong.

So, what I have seen in this movie is far more worse then just propaganda for any side, it looks more like analyzing the power of the media and how the news are used in achieving some political goal. Media appears to be a powerful weapon, who is going to pay more, a? Somethimes bad guys win the wars, but will they manage to present them self as good ones is a question of the mediums and their controlling.
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1/10
Serbian Propaganda!!!!!!!!!
almomn9 November 2006
When I saw this "documentary", I was disappointed to see Serbian Propaganda in action once again. Even though Serbia and its nationalist politics is main reason of Yugoslavian breakup, it is not mentioned in this "documentary", which is made by Bogdanovich whose name tells us that he is Serbian and his movie that he is far from being objective. It is one in the set of lies pushed by Milosevic regime. Everyone else is guilty only Serbians were right and victims, even though most of the War Criminals tried in Hague are Serbs, even though Serbs are one who have committed genocide against Bosnians , and attacked Slovenia, Croatia,and Bosnia all independent nations recognized by the UN.Breakup of Yugoslavia was not avoidable because Serbians did not want to release the grip their nationalism has put on Federal Yugoslav government, so SLovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, and Bosnia were forced to become independent nations in order to protect their interests.If you are interested in an objective documentary about breakup of Yugoslavia, and fact led documentary this is not it . You should watch "Yugoslavia:Death of a Nation", Made by Discovery channel and BBC.
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10/10
Each one pulls the truth to itself...
safenhealthy21 September 2010
There's three side of the truth, my side, your side and the real side of the truth, and each one pulls the truth to itself...

I am aware that this documentary shows a different point of view comparing to all occidental influent medias and also that it's one sided.

But you just can't only say that the documentary Death of Yugoslavia is good and this one is bad and i am really sure there are true parts in Yugolavia, the avoidable war...and i am sure it was...

I don't know what exactly happened during all the wars, but i surely know that propaganda is on each sides every time and at every wars.

I'm trying do my best to understand what really happened by reading books, watching documentaries and reading forums.

I recommend this book for people who want to know more than occidental influent medias point of view about Yugoslav war : Diana Johnstone - Fools' Crusade : Yugoslavia, Nato, and Western Delusions (Monthly Review Press)

Reviews: http://www.swans.com/library/art9/lproy04.html http://www.monthlyreview.org/books/foolscrusade.php
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1/10
This documentary doesn't help to heal the wounds.
brujomafufo16 February 2006
I just want to say that this production is very one sided, breaks the impartiality needed if you want to be taken seriously.

There are no credits of the persons they interviewed, so you cant have an idea if they are worthy of being heard.

Tells the story from just one point of view. To do this is very dangerous, because the next generations learns the bad idea, and thats why wars keep coming. I know this is not the only reason about wars, but doesn't help either.

you can watch this documentary, but read in the internet a lot, before. Balcans are complex as human history is.
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1/10
Waste of time
sh_sh1620 January 2011
Waste of time. It's not a documentary film. It is a propaganda trying to give following messages: Serbians are the victims... Dozen of respected reporters on the ground got it wrong... Germany, Austria, and USA are Serbia haters... Their intelligence services helped Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo in their unlawful wars of separation... NATO is an evil organization... It has served its purpose and should have been disintegrated in the nineties. It makes you skeptic when you see how the facts and events are presented and how the truth is bypassed. However, the daze passes away at the end when you see who the producer was. What a waste of time.
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5/10
US-produced pro-Serb propaganda
dzenanz18 July 2012
The story starts from the point where the fallout of Yugoslavia has already started, without any background on the reasons for the wish of the republics to secede. Those who wanted independence are portrayed as villains who are breaking up good old Yugoslavia.

Those reasons are mainly Serbization of Yugoslavia (called Serbs' attempt of creating "Serboslavia" by those wishing to secede), redistribution of wealth towards Serbia, appointment of Serbs to most lucrative positions in government agencies and public companies, and generally preferential treatment of Serbs in Yugoslavia.

It goes on by minimizing Serb war crimes, exaggerating crimes of other parties and reversing roles of attackers and defenders. The movie completely ignores the fact that Serbs controlled the Jugoslav National Army (JNA), most police forces and almost all heavy weapons (airplanes, warships, tanks, helicopters, howitzers etc). It states that JNA could have, and should have been allowed to, save Yugoslavia from falling apart. In no point in the movie the benefit of its continued existence was discussed.

The weapons importing embargo, which favored the already armed Serbs, is barely mentioned, but the imports in violations of that embargo by Croatians and Bosnians are labeled "illegal". Mistreatment of others by Serbs in preceding peacetime are not mentioned at all, but international intervention to stop their war crimes is called illegal many times.

Throughout the whole movie Slovenes, Croatians and Bosnians are accused of media spinning, whereas in reality Serbs had by far the best propaganda, and the international media's mostly correct portrayal of truth is represented as Bosnian/Croatian "manipulation of US public opinion".

The movie contains even some easily refutable statements, such as that the internal borders of the republics were secretly drawn by Tito during 1943, when they are in fact borders inherited from previous times (Austria-Hungary period etc).

I don't think that Macedonia was mentioned even once in this 2h 45m movie! And it declared independence before Bosnia.

Such strong bias is explained at the end of the movie, during credits, where it can be seen that 2 of 4 producers are Serbs (Bogdanich and Bibic).

The movie is however useful to watch, in order to know the Serb "truth", which is obviously different from the truth of the rest of the world.
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1/10
Horrid propaganda film
rodiena26 July 2012
Warning: Spoilers
There is one thing I like about Bosnia genocide-deniers. When I first started taking them on a few years ago, their arguments were already easy to refute, and I was hampered only by the limits of my own knowledge. Now, nearly two decades on, I know a lot more, but I still periodically find myself repeating the same old refutations of the same old arguments – arguments that sound increasingly silly as time goes by. That Germany 'encouraged' Croatia's secession from Yugoslavia, or that the Western media was 'biased' against the Serb side in the war, or that Bosnian forces shelled their own civilians to provoke Western military intervention against the Serb rebels. These are some of their main arguments and not a single piece of evidence has ever been produced to support any of them. The steady gathering of forensic evidence has made the Srebrenica massacre the most well-documented genocidal crime in history. Yet like lambs to the slaughter, new waves of deniers step forward to sacrifice any reputations they might have in the service of a long-discredited cause.

This tract is the next such lamb. Promoted as an exposé of how Western countries mishandled the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, it's really something else —dishonest, sometimes outright racist, nearly three-hour apologea on behalf of Serbian murderers.

The film was made by George Bogdanich, identified on the film's web site as "an independent documentary producer, reporter, freelance journalist and editor." What this does not tell you is that Bogdanich has spent years as a Serbian-American activist with groups identified variously as SerbNet and the Serbian American Media Center. Bogdanich raised money for the film from the Serbian-American community.

Other interviewees include Peter Handke, a poet and author with no expertise on the subject matter at all, James George Jatras, an Orthadox anti-semite and anti-Muslim bigot who described Islam as a a "gigantic Christian-killing machine" and says the religion grew from "the darkness of heathen Araby." and David Binder, a speaker at the Serbian Unity Congress and who described Mladic's as a "superb professional", and white-surpremacist magazine "Chronicles". All the usual deadbeat Serb propogandists, even down to Trifkovic, are there as well.

The tract claims that the concentration camps exposed by Roy Gutman were

basically peaceful holding camps. (To prove it, we see footage of a cafeteria. It's very clean) In fact, the routine murder and torture at the camps is thoroughly documented through statements of the camp survivors themselves in not only Gutman's articles but also 80 pages of testimony in the Helsinki Watch (Human Rights Watch). Although the camps did not conduct an industrialized form of mass extermination, allowing the filmmakers to claim that they were not Auschwitz-style "concentration camps," executions were a daily event.

The film also claims that there wasn't really a large-scale massacre in Srebrenica, saying that women and children were bused out of the city, it claims that only a small number of people were killed, with the rest having been found alive later in other locations, and it blames only an unnamed Croat for participating in the murders. Not once does it mention any Serb killing anybody. And whatever the Serbs did, the U.N., the U.S. and the Muslims made them do it. In fact, contemporary press accounts reported that the Serbs deported many of the women and children from Srebrenica, then rounded up the men, removed them to remote locations, and, according to escapees, massacred them and buried the bodies in mass graves. Subsequent discovery of the mass graves confirmed the massacres of thousands of people in the Srebrenica area.

The film also goes on to practice the old denialist trick in relation to the Srebrenica massacre, of describing (and greatly exaggerating) the military actions of the Bosnian military commander in the Srebrenica region, Naser Oric – involving attacks on Serb villages around Srebrenica and atrocities against Serb civilians – while neglecting to mention the incomparably larger-scale Serbian offensives that preceded Oric's actions, and to which the latter were a response. Anyone watching this who didn't know better would be left unaware that, prior to Oric's offensives, Serb forces had massacred and expelled Muslims across the whole of East Bosnia – at Bijeljina, Zvornik, Visegrad, Foca, Bratunac, Srebrenica itself and elsewhere; that 94.83% of the civilians from the Podrinje (East Bosnia) region killed during the war were Muslims and only 4.87% were Serbs (according to the figures of the Research and Documentation Centre); or that more Muslims from Podrinje were killed in 1992 than in the year of the Srebrenica massacre. The military actions of Oric's forces against neighbouring Serb villages were those of defenders of a beleaguered enclave whose inhabitants were threatened with massacre, rape, torture and expulsion already inflicted on other towns all over East Bosnia. That the film lays such stress on Oric's atrocities while wholly neglecting to mention the incomparably greater-in-scale Serb atrocities in the same region that preceded them is distortion of the most blatant kind

There is also an incredibly racist attitude in the film. It cites the Croats' alliance with the Nazis of 50 years earlier as though it's self-evident that the Croats of today are born as amoral killers. There is of course no mention of the Serbian nazi collaborationist Chetniks, the Serbian quisling Nedic regime (which exterminated 94% of Serbian Jewry) nor of the fact that a very large number of Croats and Bosniaks fought against the Nazis as well (Serbians were never more than 44% of the total Partisans).

That's just a few of the omissions and distortions in this 'documentry', and should give you an idea of the quality of its scholarship. Unfortunately the character limit means I cannot comment further, but I will say that there is nothind daring or original at all in the film, it is merely regurgitating discredited Milosevic-era propaganda.
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