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I just watched this for the second time, and it was a fun little adventure, but it is very disrespectful to the 80s cartoon and everyone who grew up loving it. The 80s Turtles are so dumbed-down, to the point that even Donatello was portrayed as a simpleton who seemed to almost fluke his way to his genius inventions. Even the 80s Shredder seemed needlessly Flanderised! Though I will concede, the '03 Shredder did make a very good and genuinely threatening antagonist.

Loved the appearance of the '84 Turtles as well, even if they were slightly over-simplified, character-wise. I realise that was kind of the point, given the little Eastman and Laird not at the end, but again, the turtles all seemed to samey, whereas only the '03 Turtles seemed to have any differing personalities.

This was a fun crossover, which also serves as a decent finale for the 2003 version of the Ninja Turtles.

I can see why the fans of the 1987 kinda disliked the way in which it portrayed the characters from that series as goofballs (I for one, don't remember that much 4th-wall breaking in the 1987 cartoon) but the overall film is pretty enjoyable, being a nice tribute to the franchise as whole.

I just wish they had used the original designs from the first seasons for the 2003 incarnation, instead of the Back to the Sewer art-style.

The Ninja Turtles I most remember are those of the movies. I watched the Fred Wolf produced animated series that ran from 1987 to 1996. Revisiting the series recently, it's not good in any traditional sense. Even its best episodes were devoted to selling toys. Most of the time, it was a goofy sitcom. As part of my retrospective, I gave the 2003 cartoon a look. The series has a devoted following. It's beautifully animated and clearly put more thought into its writing than the '87 series. However, it's not my Ninja Turtles. After marathoning a handful of episodes, the series' heavily serialized storytelling burnt me out. Even if I'm not the biggest fan of the millennial Turtles, I couldn't resist the siren call of "Turtles Forever," the feature length series finale that had the more serious iteration teaming up with the goofier one.

"Turtles Forever" begins in the world of the 2003 series. The Turtles' lives are interrupted when news breaks of humanoid turtles foiling a heist. The Ninjas are confused because it isn't them. Soon, they meet up with their doppelgangers, the cornball Turtles from the '87 series. A trans-dimensional wedgie has landed the old turtles in the new turtles' world, with Shredder, Krang, and the Technodrome close behind. The incompetent '80s Shredder quickly locates his millennial counterpart. However, this new Shredder is a ruthless sociopath and quickly takes over the Technodrome. Aware of the TMNT multi-verse, Nu-Shredder is determined to track down the Prime Universe and wipe out every incarnation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that have ever existed.

Most of the fun of "Turtles Forever" comes from contrasting two wildly divergent variations of the same characters. The millennial Turtles are widely a serious, focused lot. The classic Turtles, meanwhile, crack jokes at every opportunity. Instead of using stealth and ninjitsu to get the drop on their enemies, the original Turtles walk down the street in broad daylight, sauntering into a pizza parlor for a slice. Most of the later Ninjas are baffled by their counterparts. Raphael is especially annoyed by the constant joking. Michaelangelo finds them amusing at first but quickly grows tired of their constant flippantness. Some of the best jokes in the film involve classic Raphael making some of his trademark forth-wall breaking comments, which everyone else in the film find confounding. At first, I thought the newer series was being too hard on the original variations. The Party Wagon and Turtle Blimp both get trashed as useless vehicles. When arriving in the Fred Wolf dimension, the heroes have to rescue April from anthromorphized bananas. I mean, the eighties series was goofy but I don't think it was never that goofy.

However, the filmmakers were aware enough to play both sides. A sweet moment has the neo-TMNT find the classic version of Splinter as comforting as their own. The climax of the film has both Turtle teams arriving in the Prime Universe. That is, the universe of the original Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird comics. The gray scale Turtles speak in gritty Frank Miller-style voice-over and are incessantly violent. They decry both newer versions as sell-outs. Even more amusingly, the comic version of Shredder is quickly disposed of, no doubt a reference to the character being an unimportant villain in the source material. The film is enough of a fan service-filled nerd-experience that it gives shout-outs to most every version of the Turtles that have ever existed, even the weird anime ones. (Though "The Next Mutation" and the "Coming Out of Their Shells Tour" are notably absent. Well, maybe not so notably.) Another fun thing "Turtles Forever" does is show that the eighties Shredder and Krang could have been competent villains. '03 Shredder arms himself with Dimension X technology. He remakes the useless robot Foot Soldiers into fearsome cyborgs. The mutagen is used to transform a horde of minions into super-mutants. Reoccurring villain Han more-or-less becomes a new take on Slash. Meanwhile, Tokka and Rahzar get brief cameos. The Technodrome itself is rebuilt as a floating, laser-spewing Death Star. The scene where the re-decoed Technodrome attacks New York, bursting out of ground and causing panic, is one of the best in the film. At the very end, nu-Shredder, who is apparently an Umtron alien or somethin', wears his own version of Krang's growing suit. When the two face off, he proves how superior his technology is. The new version of Shredder is so ruthless, he truly is willing to destroy himself if it means wiping out his arch-enemies. The respective universe vanishing are presented in a clever way. The color fades away and then everyone is rendered as crude pencil drawings before vanishing all-together.

The cleverness of the film is best emphasized during its end. After pumping the Shredder up as the baddest dude in the multi-verse, he's taken out accidentally by Bebop and Rocksteady. The final scene has the different Turtle teams returning to their respective universe. The Mirage Turtles rush off, hardboiled monologues playing overhead. During the final minutes, the camera pulls back, showing the characters as comic illustrations. From off-screen, we hear Eastman and Laird discuss the uncertain future of their then-new property. It's a cute, even charming, moment and one that marks the film as a labor of love.

"Turtles Forever" is probably for die-hard fans of the franchise only. There's not much to the film and it feels more like a midnight snack then a proper cinematic meal. Yet the only real disappointment I have is that it couldn't get the original '87 cast members back because of some union stuff. The sound-alikes they use are fairly convincing. The movie acknowledges the pros and cons of both cartoons while sneaking in plenty of in-jokes. Even as someone who only casually likes both Turtles cartoons, I still had a good time with it.

This is excellent craftsmanship, which understands the finer and the not-so-subtle points of cross-over. And it does so with enough self-irony to make this movie a real enjoyable trip, by taking the whole idea far beyond the meta-level.

It is literally a full cross-over of the 1987, the 2003 TV animated series and the original black and white comic of 1984. The 1987 version is the most cartoon-ish one, which had a much younger target audience, than the other two versions. The 2003 version aimed at young teens, while the original comics, quite sinister and rough, sometime even brutal, were created for mature audience.

In this movie, all of the drawn series* (in style, tone, plot, lingo and background) really merge together. One of the funnier things as an example is, that in the 1987 series, the fourth wall is often broken by the turtles talking to the audience, making silly remarks or moral statements, whereas that never happened in the 2003 version and so the 2003 characters always wonder who the 1987 turtles talk to, and the black/white turtles narrate as they did in the comics. The black and white version makes fun of the colored headbands, the 2003s are annoyed by their 1987 brethren silliness and they even start to refer to each other in their style distinction.

*It does not take any TMNT Manga (the Japanese versions of the franchise) into account, or I just missed the reference.

I would say that this is a true homage to Eastman and Laird's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It certainly closes one chapter of my (admittedly never ending) childhood, by taking me on a - somewhat nostalgic - trip through teen memories*, giving them a worthwhile ending, the one it never really got back then...

*Just in case you are wondering, I grew up with the classic comic TMNTs in my early teens, saw some of the 1987s, but did not like it due to its more childish style and I have seen some, but not really followed the 2003 version much. But I know enough to connect them in this movie.

So all the small sentiments are a nice touch, but the real genius, I think, is an ironic, reflective re-wind through the history of its own existence. In a more morbid interpretation, it seem to be like the legendary flash-back of ones own life, in the moment of death, packed into a movie. In this case, I mean the cultural death of a legendary quartet of mutated Testudines. Indeed, I have not seen or heard much of the turtles lately. They have become a passing memory, almost eager to be replaced by the new heroes of todays media and culture.

The reason I deduct a point from perfection is the finite tone of the movie. Almost to the point, where you could interpret it as a depiction of self-pity, composed of its own demise; if you the more cynical type.

If the 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' have ever been, no matter how small, a part of your childhood or teenage pantheon of heroes, you should really watch this, which is more true, if you are familiar with all the styles. Even the hardcore comic fans that may despise the whole TMNT-franchise, will find gratification, because the film takes the viewer back to appreciate its own origin. And with that, it also makes us think about origins, including our own, which closes the circle to our childhood or teenage heroes, that may have had an impact on us - although I am still not sure, how much influence the turtles had, beyond my occasional craving for pizza.

If 'TMNT' doesn't mean anything to you, you will probably not understand much at all; and neither the drawing style, nor the plot will be enough to satisfy a casual viewer, not by todays standards anyway. But I do believe that this is intentional, to keep the cross-over true to its originals, mixing the different versions very harmoniously. The 2003 TMNTs did seem to have had a bit of a polish tho, which may just have been done to better separate them from their 1987 counterparts.

All in all: COWABUNGA!

When Turtles Forever just emerged on TV, everybody highly anticipated the film. The new (2003) green team fighting the good old Technodrome, Bebop and Rocksteady, and another, more brutal, but also inhumanly cruel Shredder. This was a decent combination of both animated franchises of the time, pretty action-packed, high-spirited in the good old adventure sense, and even Easter Eggs directing to Star Wars did not spoil the story. (For instance, Technodrome began to look much more like the Death Star, and the Shredder becomes an "upgraded" version of Mr. Darth. Aw -- Ah for the moment when he says: if destroying the Turtles means an end to everything, including himself... "SO BE IT!" Yes, -- that's the way a true comic book villain behaves!) Therefore I'm not against these changes, reminding the viewer of SW. It's really fun. Everything in the movie is bright, dynamic, strongly positive, and the fans would love it... if not for a small, but irritating nuance.

I think the story's somehow spoiled by the authors' irony (let's not say sarcasm) about the 87 Turtles and their world. April, pursued by a giant mutant banana (everybody got, what did he really want from the girl? No, not just to dinner off her -- look once more at 87's April pretty figure and all those big... dignities, then you'll surely guess the scary banana's intentions). It's not that serious, I know. It's just... unpleasant to watch.

But, despite all this, I daresay it's a good movie. In the end, we see both the green teams saying farewell. It'a nice emotional moment, and no irony this time. "Turtle Power!!"

In a word -- every era has their own Ninja Turtles. It's good the estafette was transferred to another ones.